HARIKESA: Darwin's whole theory rests on the fact, the speculation, that he can show bones. They take these bones and these evidences, archeological...

PRABHUPADA: Anyway, it is not possible that he has seen all the bones. That is not possible. So taking it that he has studied by seeing the bones, but I can say very easily that it is not possible for a person like you to see all the bones. That is my challenge. How you can say that you have seen all the bones? You say, "Millions and millions of years ago..." You live for fifty years. How you have seen all the bones? That is imperfect. You are a limited person. How it is possible that you have seen all the bones? What is the answer?

SATSVARUPA: They say they haven't found all the bones, but what they've found is conclusive evidence.

PRABHUPADA: But then you cannot do that. If you have seen all the bones, then you can conclude. You say, "Some of the missing." So how it is fact? You did not see it.

SATSVARUPA: Just this year they found a skull that was millions of years older than any human skull they found before.

PRABHUPADA: That's all right. But still, you cannot say that you have seen all the skulls. That is not possible.

DEVOTEE: They will say they have not even found one skull from the Vedic culture.

PRABHUPADA: Oh. No, Vedic culture do not keep skull, they burn it. Therefore there is no opportunity for you to see the Vedic culture. Then you become defective. Because you cannot see the skulls of Vedic culture. We burn it. So therefore your conclusion is defective.

HARIKESA: So the only bones they find are the bones of the fifth, sixth, seventh-class men.

PRABHUPADA: Yes, of the monkey-class men. [laughter] That's all. Therefore you conclude that the man comes from monkey. That is the conclusion. Human being, Vedic culture, they burn it. So they have no opportunity to see the human being skull. The monkeys, they do not burn. So he has seen only the monkey skull, and his conclusion is, "Man is from monkey."

BRAHMANANDA: Actually they are simply interested in bones, but this is the activity of the dog. [laughter]

PRABHUPADA: Yes. Yes, he finds, [laughter] like that. So it is dog's philosophy. Hare Krishna. [break] ... From the very beginning, when I was a student, I did not believe this Darwin's theory. [break] To study one after another, chronologically, as Darwin says, skull, it is not possible at all. For any single man it is not possible.

TAMAL KRSNA: 8,400,000 species.

PRABHUPADA: Yes. Has he gone down into the water? Then what is the...? Simply speculation.

TAMAL KRSNA: Factual scientific study would mean to study all 8,400,000 species?

PRABHUPADA: Yes, that is scientific study. But that is not possible. Therefore your theory is always imperfect because you cannot say that "I have studied all." You simply guess, "There is some gap, millions of years." So this is not study.

BRAHMANANDA: They say even there's a missing link, a part that they cannot explain. So they admit...

PRABHUPADA: So that is not science.

HARIKESA: It's the most important part too.

PRABHUPADA: Therefore we say they are rascals. And rascals will believe. JAYATIRTHA: Once you said the missing link was your foot in their face. [laughter] [break]

PRABHUPADA: In logic also it is admitted that inductive logic is imperfect; deductive logic is perfect. Deductive logic means shrota-pantha, parampara, shruti, Vedic language, shruti. Shruti pramana. Pramana means evidence, and shruti means Veda. Pratyaksha, anumana, shruti. Pratyaksha means direct, direct evidence, and anumana, hypothesis. That is Darwin's theory, something like that. And shruti, Vedic. So out of these three kinds of evidences, shruti-pramana is accepted as supreme, neither anumana nor pratyaksha. Pratyaksha, you are seeing the sky, but you cannot see the length and breadth. You cannot see. You are seeing daily. If you say, "I have got this telescope," so that is an imperfect. And how you can see with your eyes directly, direct sense perception? Hypothesis, anumana, guessing, that is also not perfect. And shruti, we take shruti from the perfect person, Krishna. He says, aham evasam agre: "Before the creation I was there." We take simply.

LAKSMI NARAYANA: Prabhupada, in the Bhagavad-gita Krishna says that in the beginning of creation He sent forth generations of men among the demigods. So the bones that they have found of those...

PRABHUPADA: Hm?

LAKSMI NARAYANA: I said the bones that they have found so far...

PRABHUPADA: Who?

LAKSMI NARAYANA: Of the men that were living so many thousands of years ago.

PRABHUPADA: But they are not demigods.

LAKSMI NARAYANA: No. But who are the bones... Where are those living entities now? Where they have gone?

PRABHUPADA: You can go to the higher planetary system and try to see there, bones of the demigods. Besides that, according to our shastra [Vedic literatures], when Brahma dies, then everything is finished. So you have no chance to see. Where is your chance? Because everything will be finished, you will be finished, everything finished, with the death of Brahma, so you cannot study Brahma's bones. Just like taste of potassium cyanide. As soon as you taste, you are finished. [laughter] So you cannot say what is the taste.

LAKSMI NARAYANA: But the bones of those people that they've found, where are their bodies now? Have they gone to some other...?

PRABHUPADA: No, no, you might have found in your country. But that is not final that you have seen all the bones. [break] Darwin has... He is now dead. Now, even nowadays they are finding new bones. So how were his studies perfect? He is now dead and gone.

BRAHMANANDA: Actually they are finding bones now, they claim, that challenge his theory. They are much older than what he ever thought. So they have to change all the calculations.

LAKSMI NARAYANA: Even their method for dating the bones is defective also.

PRABHUPADA: Hm?

LAKSMI NARAYANA: They have a scientific... not scientific, but they have a process how they date the bones. It's called the carbon 14 dating process, and it's been proved defective.

JAYATIRTHA: There are so many bones, they should draw the conclusion that the big problem is death.

PRABHUPADA: [chuckles] That is impossible, sir. You lick up your bones, but you have to die. You have to lay down your bone now.